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1992 Band Of Joy Interview

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Subject: Band of Joy Interview

As promised, here is an interview I did with two of the members of The Band of Joy. This was in 1992.

Before Led Zeppelin, Robert Plant was in many bands around the Midlands. These included Hobbstweedle, The New Memphis Bluesbreakers, The Black Snake Moan, The Banned, The Crawling Kingsnakes, The Tennessee Teens and Listen. One of the earliest of these groups was The Band of Joy. This group went through several incarnations, with and without Robert, but it seemed to play an important part in Plant's formative years as a singer. In 1967 The Band of Joy line up was Robert Plant on vocals, John Bonham on drums, Kevin Gammond on guitar, Paul Lockey on bass, and Chris Brown on keyboards. Today, Kevin Gammond is a music professor at a Midlands college and Paul Lockey is a primary school teacher. They both continue playing music in their spare time, and both remain very close friends with Plant. This interview took place over a period of several hours, and was more of a conversation than an interview, so a lot of editing was needed, and the end result is a series of excerpts that are not necessarily in chronological order! It was an enjoyable trip down memory lane for them, and I think they did quite a good job remembering things from 24 years ago!

D-(LOOKING AT BAND OF JOY PHOTO AND SPEAKING TO PAUL) THAT'S YOU?

P-YES, I'M 19, THEY'RE ALL 19 ... (LOOKING AT JACKET HE WAS WEARING IN THE PHOTO) JOHN HAD THIS JACKET THAT HE USED TO WEAR WHEN HE WAS PLAYING, AND HE LOOKED ABSOLUTELY TREMENDOUS, AND I ALWAYS LIKED THIS JACKET. APPARENTLY HE'D WON IT IN A CARD GAME, A SUIT ACTUALLY WITH TROUSERS TO MATCH, WOULD HAVE COST A FORTUNE, SO ANYWAY JOHN SAYS TO THIS GUY I'LL PLAY YOU FOR YOUR COAT, ALWAYS LIKE THAT, ALWAYS THE GAMBLER, SO HE WON THE COAT. AND THEN SIX MONTHS LATER I GOT THE COAT. BECAUSE I LIKED IT SO MUCH THAT WE CUT A DEAL, I DON'T KNOW, SOMETHING LIKE 2 POUNDS OR 2 POUNDS FIFTY AND SOME CIGARETTES, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AND I'VE STILL GOT IT IN THE WARDROBE NOW!

D-WHO IS THIS?

K-CHRIS BROWN THE KEYBOARD PLAYER IN THE BAND. HE PLAYED THE (MARQUEES?).

P-WAS IT, OR DID HE HAVE A HAMMOND ORGAN IN THE END? I THINK HE HAD A HAMMOND

K-DID HE END UP WITH A HAMMOND?

P-I THINK SO, YEAH. BACKING VOCALS ALSO.

D-KEVIN IS REALLY A PRETTY GOOD GUITAR PLAYER, I SAW A VIDEO OF YOU LAST NIGHT AT THAT LITTLE BENEFIT AT THAT DANCE CLUB.

K-AH, FRANK FREEMAN?

D-YEAH, FRANK FREEMAN

K-AHH, OH MY GOD!

D-YEAH, IT REALLY WAS GOOD.

K-FRANK FREEMAN 1S A LITTLE PIECE OF HISTORY IN THIS TOWN (KIDDERMINSTER). EVERYBODY STARTED OFF COMING THROUGH THE FRANK FREEMAN SORT OF SCENE.

P-YEAH YEAH.

K-IT WAS VERY AMAZNG REALLY BECAUSE GROUPS LIKE CAPTAIN BEEFHART AND ALL MY SORT OF HEROES WERE MUCH MORE SORT OF ETHICAL AND MUCH MORE, BUT I CAN SORT OF LOOK BACK NOW AT ZEPPELIN AND THINK, OH MY GOD, AND CAN REALLY APPRECIATE. AT THE TIME I WAS NOT AT ALL, I WAS MUCH MORE SORT OF VELVET UNDERGROUND, LOU REED, CAPTAIN BEEFHART, ALL THAT SORT OF AN AREA, AND PAUL I THINK. WHERE WERE YOU AT? YOU WERE MUCH MORE SORT OF...

P-WELL A BIT OF EVERYTHING REALLY, A BIT OF THE BLUES, A BIT OF THE OLD SOUL STUFF, IN THOSE DAYS EVERYBODY WAS INTO THE SOUL STUFF. I SORT OF DRASTICALLY CAME FROM NOWHERE REALLY, HA HA, TO PLAY THE BASS...I'M A GUITAR PLAYER, BUT DURING THAT TIME WITH BAND OF JOY I LEARNED TO PLAY THE BASS AND TO PLAY LOUD. YOU HAD TO BECAUSE JOHNNY BONHAM WAS SO LOUD, I STOOD NEXT TO HIM EVERY NIGHT GOING 'AHH!'. MINDBLOWING, YOU KNOW.

K-WHEN YOU LISTEN TO ZEP STUFF NOW, EVEN THE FIRST ALBUM, IT'S VERY GOOD.

D-YEAH, THE FIRST TWO ALBUMS ARE MY FAVORITES.

K-YEAH, BUT THEY WERE JUST...

P-WELL IT WAS JUST WHAT THE BAND OF JOY WAS PLAYING.

K-YEAH, LIVE, YEAH.

P-ONLY THEY DID IT SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT, YEAH, SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT.

D-WELL THOSE FIRST TWO ALBUMS ARE MY FAVOURITE, BUT A LOT OF THOSE SONGS WERE SOME THAT THEY HAD NICKED.

K-OH YEAH, YEAH, WILLIE DIXON WAS, RIGHT UP UNTIL A FEW YEARS BACK THERE WAS THE COURT CASE OVER WHOLE LOTTA LOVE AND EVERYTHING. BUT THEN AGAIN THEY STOLE FROM THE REALLY GREY AREA. THE PROBLEM I HAVE WITH THAT, AND I'LL BE HATED FOR SAYING THIS, IS THAT WHY BANDS LIKE ZEPPELIN WERE SO CONVINCING AND STILL THE MUSIC STANDS UP TODAY IS BECAUSE THEIR IDOLS WERE ACTUALLY PEOPLE THAT THEY GOT ALL THEIR INFLUENCE FROM. EVERYBODY FROM ROBERT JOHNSON TO MUDDY WATERS TO HOWLING WOLF, ALL OF OUR HEROES. WE USED TO GET THESE PACKAGE TOURS WITH ALL THESE PEOPLE ON THEN, IT WAS AMAZING!! I USED TO GO UP TO LIGHTNING HOPKINS AND SAY CAN I HAVE YOUR AUTOGRAPH AND HE WOULD SELL ME HIS HANKIE FOR 50P (LAUGHTER) OR WHATEVER. INCREDIBLE REALLY, SO WE USED TO GET ONCE OR TWICE A YEAR THE WHOLE PACKAGE SHOW COMING OVER.

D-JEALOUSY MAKES ME REALLY HATE HEARING ABOUT THAT!

K-WELL YEAH, ALL THOSE GROUPS ARE GONE, BUT NOW ALL THESE SORT OF TENTH GENERATION OR MUTANT OFFSPRINGS OF VILE OLD ROCK DON'T HAVE THAT SAME SORT OF LUNATIC EDGE OR WHATEVER. IT MAY BE THAT THE TECHNOLOGY MAY BE THERE BUT.. I'M MUCH MORE INTO WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE SORT OF...ALL THE SORT OF HOUSE AND THE RAP AND ALL THAT SORT OF STUFF THAN I AM TO ROCK MUSIC.

D-WELL THERE'S NOTHING MUCH GOING ON IN ROCK MUSIC.

K-YES...

D-WELL, ALL OF THE SEATTLE STUFF IS A LITTLE OF A KICK START....

K-WELL YEAH, I AGREE.. LIKE YESTERDAY IN CLASS WE WERE PLAYING PEARL JAM, AND YOU COULD COMPARE IT TO EXACTLY WHAT WE WERE DOING. BUT THEY'RE A YOUNG BAND AND IN A WAY I QUITE LIKE THOSE YOUNG GROUPS, LIKE NIRVANA, TEEN SPIRIT, YOU KNOW, GREAT, IT'S SO SORT OF JUST RAW, INTELLIGENT.

D-AT THE LEAST IT'S A BREAK FROM THE NOTHINGNESS WE'VE HAD TO LISTEN TO FOR SO LONG NOW.

K-YEA, THAT SIDE OF ROCK THAT I THINK OUGHT TO BE BULLDOZED, NOT ALL THESE NEW BANDS, LIKE THE CHILI PEPPERS AND PRIMUS...

D-YEAH!

K-FUCKING GREAT! YEAH, THEY'RE LUNATICS IN A WAY AND I THINK THEY'RE GREAT, AND THAT'S WHAT IT IS, WHAT MUSIC IS ABOUT. BECAUSE ALL THE THINGS THAT WE HAD, THEY'VE GOT BUT IN ANOTHER WAY AND IT'S PLAYED IN 1992, AND IT WORKS WELL.

P-YES, YES. THAT'S RIGHT.

K-AND THERE'S A PLATFORM FOR EVERYBODY, THE KIDS IN COLLEGE WHO SORT OF SAY, OK WELL I'M NOT LISTENING TO ANYBODY BUT THESE PEOPLE. -(LAUGHTER) YOU KNOW MY HERO JUST DIED A FEW WEEKS BACK, AN ACCORDIONIST FROM ARGENTINA, ASTA PIAZZOLA (NOT SURE OF SPELLING). HE REALLY DID BEAUTIFUL MUSIC, IF HE'D HAVE BEEN AMERICAN EVERYBODY WOULD HAVE BEEN ... HE'D HAVE BEEN FRONT PAGE OF THE NEW YORK TIMES, EVERYWHERE...OH FANTASTIC! WHEN YOU HEAR OF A TANGO YOU SORT OF THINK, OH MY GOD A TANGO... BUT HE WAS LIKE JIMI HENDRIX ON THE ACCORDION (LAUGHTER).

D-JIMI HENDRIX ON THE ACCORDION???

K-YEAH, MAYBE IN FACT HE MAY HAVE DONE PURPLE HAZE, I'M NOT SURE! (LAUGHTER) BUT IT'S THE MOOD, FANTASTIC!

[FROM THIS WE WANDERED INTO A DISCUSSION OF FAIRPORT CONVENTION AND CROPREDY]

K-HAVE YOU BEEN TO SEE THEM?

D-YEAH...

K-WELL DAVE PEGG, WHO RUNS THE CROPREDY EACH YEAR, DAVE PEGG AND ROBERT GO...WELL IT GOES BACK TO THE BAND OF JOY DAYS ACTUALLY, HE WAS UMMM..

P-DAVE PEGG SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE BASS PLAYER, NOT ME (LAUGHTER), AND THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED, DAVE PEGG OPTED OUT.

K-YEAH WELL, BUT WE GOT A BETTER BASS PLAYER IN THE END! (LAUGHTER)

P-HA HA, YEAH...

K-HE'S GOT MUCH MORE HAIR THAN PEGGY! (LAUGHTER)

[DISCUSSION THEN WENT TO ZEP AND HOW BIG THEY STILL ARE TODAY, WHICH LED TO...]

K-WELL ... UMMM.... WE'LL REFORM THE BAND OF JOY (LAUGHTER) AND SEE IF WE CAN GET SOME THINGS OUT OF THE CAN AND UMMM (LAUGHTER)

D-SO WHEN IS THE REUNION???

K-WELL, IT'S STRANGE REALLY, THINKING ABOUT A REUNION, BECAUSE WE, PAUL CAN HELP ME ON THIS, THERE WAS THE BAND OF JOY ALBUM WHICH WE DID

P-YES, THIS WAS ABOUT 10 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD. SOME GUYS FROM A BAND CALLED POSSESSED HAD DIED IN A CAR ACCIDENT, INCLUDING A GOOD FRIEND OF ROBERT'S, AND S0 WE ALL GOT TOGETHER AGAIN AND DID SOME CHARITY GIGS TO RAISE MONEY FOR THE FAMILIES. SO WE TURNED UP IN VARIOUS PUBS AND CLUBS IN KIDDERMINSTER AND BIRMINGHAM, AND IT WAS A SORT OF ORGANIZED CHAOS. SO, THAT'S WHEN I MET KEVIN AGAIN AFTER ALL THOSE YEARS, AND WE SAID YES, WE'LL GET THE BAND BACK TOGETHER, ROB PLANT AND THE BAND OF JOY, AND WE'D MAKE A RECORD. THAT'S WHAT WAS HAPPENING, AND IN THE END ROBERT NEVER MADE IT BECAUSE OF A TRAGEDY IN HIS FAMILY.

K-YES...

P-SO WE JUST CARRIED ON...

D-SO THIS WAS IN THE MID 70'S?

K-YES, AROUND 1976-77. AT THAT TIME, SUDDENLY THERE WAS THIS WOMAN ON A TV SHOW GOING FUCK OFF!!!, AND IT WAS JOHNNY ROTTEN AND PUNK, AND I'M GOING 'GOD WHAT'S HAPPENING!'

P-AND WE WERE WALKING AROUND IN LONDON DRESSED JUST LIKE THIS (POINTS TO OLD BAND OF JOY PHOTO) ONLY IT WAS TEN YEARS LATER..

K-WE WERE ALIENS!

P-WE WERE IMMEDIATELY OUT OF PLACE AND WE HADN'T EVEN STARTED YET BUT WE SOON WERE ...AND THE ALBUM...

K-WELL, A FRIEND OF OURS CAME ROUND, AND WANTED TO KNOW IF WE HAD ANY SONGS FROM THAT SORT OF PERIOD FOR A BAND HE WAS MANAGING, ANYWAY, AND THEN WE MADE THE ALBUM AND WERE DOING SORT OF NUMBERS LIKE "3 AM IN THE CITY" AND THEY SOUNDED LIKE SORT OF A MIXTURE OF THE FIRST JEFF BECK AND ROD STEWART BAND, AS IN "ROCK ME 'SORT OF, WITH STEELY DAN SORT OF HARMONY VOCALS, THEN THERE WAS A MISTAKE.

P-WELL THEY PRINTED STUFF IN THE BRITISH PAPERS LIKE "I COULD HEAR ROBERT IN THE BACKGROUND", AND ROBERT DIDN'T COME ANYWHERE NEAR IT... IT WAS KEVIN, MYSELF, OFF BASS NOW AND ONTO GUITAR, MIKE CHETWOOD ON KEYBOARDS, HE HAD A GROUP CALLED TAPAU AND THAT HAD JUST SPLIT UP, AND ON DRUMS FRANCISCO NIZZA, A BIG 6'4, 6'3 GUY, REALLY COOL, GOOD DRUMMER, JOHN PASTERNAK ON BASS, WHO HAS UNFORTUNATELY SINCE DIED, A GOOD FRIEND OF KEVIN'S. WE HAD A MANAGER NAMED CLIVE SELLWOOD, AND SO WE RECORDED THE ALBUM ON POLYDOR, AND IT DID OK, I THINK THE RECORD COMPANY GOT THEIR MONEY BACK.

K-ONE NICE THING ABOUT IT WAS THAT WE DIDN'T TRY TO SOUND LIKE THE BAND OF JOY OF OLD. WE WERE TOTALLY, MUCH MORE PUNKIER, FAST, SORT OF UP TEMPO. YOU MUST GET A COPY OF THAT BECAUSE YOU'D ENJOY IT...

P-YEAH, IT'S JUST CALLED THE BAND OF JOY.

K-YEAH, IN FACT WE RELEASED THE ALBUM IN THE STATES, IT WAS AROUND 77, AROUND THAT TIME. I'M NOT SURE THOUGH BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENED WAS THAT THE MANAGING GUY FROM HERE TRANSFERRED TO OTHER PARTS AND THEN A NEW GUY CAME IN AND RIGHT AWAY HE SAID BASICALLY "WHAT'S WITH THIS GROUP,THEY LOOK SORT OF OLD. OH YEAH, YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE A TWIN-NECKED GUITAR IN THIS DAY AND AGE", SO RIGHT AWAY THE WHOLE THING WAS FORGOTTEN, WHICH IS A SHAME REALLY.

P-YEAH, BUT THEN WE DID ANOTHER.

K-'24K' WASN'T IT?

P-YEAH, THAT WAS ABOUT FIVE YEARS LATER, ABOUT 92, ON CLIVE SELLWOOD'S LABEL, THUNDERBOLT. THAT WAS OUR FINAL THING AS THE BAND OF JOY. WE PLAYED FOR ABOUT TWO YEARS AND THEN WE SPLIT UP AND WENT OUR SEPARATE WAYS AGAIN.

D-YOU REALIZE THAT THERE ARE SEVERAL OF THE EARLY DEMOS OUT ON BOOTLEG, BUT NOT ALL.

K-WELL THE DEMOS WERE MEMORY LANE, HEY JOE, FOR WHAT ITS WORTH, ADRIATIC SEA VIEW.

[DISCUSSION GOES OFF FOR AWHILE WITH ME SUGGESTING THEY SERIOUSLY CONSIDER RELEASING THAT STUFF ON A LEGITIMATE FORMAT FOR THE FANS. MET WITH SOME SERIOUS DISCUSSION OF THE POSSIBILITY AND SOME SURPRISE THAT SOME OF THOSE SONGS ARE COLLECTED ON BOOTLEGS!]

D-WHAT IS THE STORY OF THE BAND OF JOY DEMOS?

P-THEY WERE THE HIGHLIGHT OF MY CAREER!

K-DENNY CORDELL, WHO PRODUCED ALL THE MOVE RECORDS, PICKED UP ON THE DEMOS, AND ROBERT SAID 'OK I'M GOING TO LONDON WITH THE DEMOS', AND DENNY WAS REALLY OVER THE MOON ABOUT THEM THE NEXT WE HEARD AND ROBERT WAS KNOCKING ON THE DOOR SAYING 'YEAH THEY LOVE IT!'. BUT THEN SOMEHOW IT GOT MESSED UP, ROBERT SAID COME ON AND LET'S GO MEET DENNY AND HE DIDN'T COME BACK. SO WE WENT DOWN AND HE SAID 'GREAT LET'S GO IN THE STUDIO', AND DENNY SAID 'THERE'S A GUITAR', HE STUCK IT IN MY HAND AND SAID 'WRITE SOMETHING!'. AT THAT AGE WE REALLY HADN'T STARTED WRITING, SO HE SAID, 'OK I'LL GIVE YOU A TENNER OR SOMETHING AND PUT YOU UP AT THE MADISON HOTEL, GO WRITE A SONG AND COME BACK IN THE MORNING.' SO THERE WAS ROBERT AND I WITH A BORROWED GUITAR, AND WE SAID 'WELL WE BETTER COME UP WITH SOMETHING.' SO WE DID THIS WILD THING WITH LIKE ONE BAR, AND WE WENT BACK THE NEXT DAY AND OF COURSE THAT KILLED US (LAUGHTER), AND PAUL PICKED US UP COMING BACK OFF THE MOTORWAY ABOUT 10:30 THAT NIGHT, WE HAD NO MONEY FOR TRAIN FARE, AND HE MET US AND WE GAVE HIM THE EXCITING NEWS.

P-DIDN'T THAT GET PUT OUT?

K-NO I DON'T THINK SO. A FEW YEARS BACK WE WERE GOING TO MAKE A 12 INCH OUT OF THE DEMOS FOR THE COLLEGE, BUT WE COULDN'T GET ALL THE PERMISSIONS FROM FAMILY OR WHATEVER, AND WE DIDN'T DO IT, AND AS DIANE SAID IT'S ALREADY BOOTLEGGED...

[The track 'Adriatic Sea View' was officially released on a charity compilation tape that had extremely limited distribution in the Midlands. This tape was later made available exclusively through Nirvana Magazine.]

K-WHEN YOU GET INTO THAT, THAT SORT OF REALLY EARLY BAND OF JOY STUFF, ROBERT'S VOICE. AMAZING ISN'T IT? YOU KNOW TO BE 19.

P-YEAH, THE VOICE WAS OUTRAGEOUS.

K-YEAH, I'VE GOT AN, OR I DID HAVE SOMEWHERE HAVE MADE A SORT OF IMPERSONATION OF JACK JONES. DO YOU REMEMBER THAT ONE. IT WAS AHHH!

P-OH YEAH. [SOME LAUGHTER]

K-THEY LIKE TOOK HIM IN THE STUDIO AND SAID, "OK BOY, WE'RE GOING TO MAKE YOU A STAR!"

D-YEAH, ONE OF THE FIRST SINGLES WITH CBS.

K-YEAH, AND THEN HE DID A REMARKABLE COVER WITH LISTEN CALLED "YOU BETTER RUN".

D-AND WHO WERE THESE "TENNESEE TEENS", ANY BAND OF JOY FOLKS IN THAT?

P-NO, I KNOW THEM, BECAUSE I WAS PLAYING IN A DIFFERENT BAND YEARS AGO. I NEVER ACTUALLY SAW ROBERT PLAY WITH THEM, BUT I MET THE GUY WHO PLAYED BASS, AND A CHAP CALLED MICK REEVES, THE SON OF THE GUY WHO DIED IN THE ACCIDENT YEARS AND YEARS AGO. AND THEY WERE SORT OF A MOD BAND. AND THERE WAS ANOTHER BAND CALLED 'THE SHAKEDOWN SOUND' WHERE KEVIN WAS ALREADY A BIT OF A BLOOMING STAR.

K-YEAH, THEY DID SORT OF JAMAICAN FLAVOURED STUFF LIKE 'THE HARDER THEY FALL' OR...

P-WHAT WAS THAT...'GIVE A LITTLE, TAKE A LITTLE', REMEMBER THAT?

K-YEAH, OUR BAND WAS REALLY SORT OF RIVAL TO ROBERT, HE HAD A GROUP CALLED THE BANNED FROM UP THE ROAD, FROM STOURBRIDGE, AND WE WOULD PLAY THE USUAL CIRCUIT, PAUL WAS IN A BAND CALLED THE SHOOTING STARS AND THERE WAS ABOUT THREE BANDS THAT PLAYED ALL AROUND THIS CIRCUIT..PLAYING THREE AND FOUR GIGS A NIGHT..AND ANYWAY WE WERE SORT A RIVAL BAND TO ROBERT'S, WHO WAS MUCH MORE SORT OF BLUES BASED.

D-HOW MANY VARIATIONS ON THE BAND OF JOY WERE THERE?

P-WELL, WHEN I FIRST MET ROBERT, HE HAD A BAND CALLED ROBERT PLANT AND THE BAND OF JOY, THIS WAS WITH MICK REEVES, VERNON PRARRERA, PETER ROBINSON, AND CHRIS BROWN. THIS WAS JUST A LOCAL BAND, THEY DIDN'T PLAY OUTSIDE TOWN, JUST LOCALLY, AND ROBERT APPEARED ON THE SCENE AND THEY SAID THIS IS OUR NEW SINGER, AND IT LASTED ABOUT 3 OR 4 MONTHS I THINK.

D-IS IT TRUE THAT ROBERT GOT FIRED FROM THAT FIRST VERSION, BEING TOLD THAT HE COULDN'T SING?

P-YEAH, THAT'S THE ONE WHERE THEY SAID WE DON'T NEED YOU ANYMORE.

K-WE WEREN'T INVOLVED UNTIL LATER.

D-WHAT ABOUT THE VERSION THAT PAINTED THEIR FACES?

K-YEAH, THAT WAS BEFORE US....

P-THEY WERE CALLED 'THE PAINT' AND ROBERT WAS WITH THEM FOR ABOUT ANOTHER SIX MONTHS MAYBE, NOT EVEN THAT, AND THEY PAINTED THEIR FACES AND WORE ALL THESE HIPPY CLOTHES AND STUFF.

D-AND THEN THE NEXT BAND INCLUDED YOU?

P-YES,THAT'S WHEN I MET YOU KEVIN.

K-YES, I WAS IN WITH THE JIMMY CLIFF BAND, PAUL WAS WITH THE SHOOTING STARS BAND, JOHN BONHAM WAS IN 'WAY OF LIFE '- AND ROBERT CAME OUT OF THAT GROUP AND SAID, OK I'M GOING TO FORM SOMETHING NOW. WHICH IS WHEN DAVE PEGG WAS AROUND, I THINK DAVE PEGG AND JOHN BONHAM WERE TOGETHER IN THE SAME GROUP, AND JOHN SAID YEA I'M GONNA JOIN, AND THEN HE RECOMMENDED PAUL OR KNEW PAUL.

P-YEAH, I'D NEVER MET KEVIN, I'D SEEN HIM ON STAGE WITH JIMMY CLIFF AND THOUGHT HE WAS GREAT, AND THEN SUDDENLY HE WAS STANDING AT THE FRONT DOOR WITH ROBERT! I KNEW ROBERT, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW KEVIN.

K-SO WE DECIDED TO FORM A GROUP. AND WE ALL HAD OUR INFLUENCES, WE ALL WANTED TO PLAY SORT OF. I HAD MY FIRST VELVET UNDERGROUND, ROBERT HAD HIS MOBY GRAPE, WE ALL SORT OF LOVED THIS HARD SORT OF WEST COAST STUFF.

P-YEAH, WE LOVED IT!

K-AND WE ALSO DID STUFF LIKE THE LEMON SONG AND BLUES BASED STUFF.

P-BUT WE DIDN'T HAVE JOHN BONHAM AS THE FIRST DRUMMER, THERE WAS ANOTHER GUY.

K-YEAH, OF COURSE.

P-AND ROBERT WANTED JOHNNY BONHAM SO WE USED TO END UP GOING AROUND AT ALL HOURS TO SEE HIM AT GIGS AND SAY, YEA, COME ON, JOIN THE BAND.

K-AND THEN WE PLAYED GIGS AT LIKE MIDDLE EARTH, THE SPEAKEASY. AND AT THAT TIME EVERYBODY WAS GOING DOWN, LIKE CLAPTON, HENDRIX. I'LL ALWAYS REMEMBER THIS GUY WHO WAS RUNNING A PLACE SAYING "MY GOD THIS IS THE BEST BAND WE'VE SEEN IN THE LAST THREE MONTHS!" PLAYING A LONDON VENUE AND THEY'RE SAYING WE'RE THE BEST BAND.. YOU REMEMBER?

P-YEAH, WE WERE SORT OF POP STARS WITH NO AUDIENCE--PLAYING FOR VIRTUALLY NOBODY BUT ENJOYING IT. PLAYED WITH FAIRPORT CONVENTION, BEFORE DAVE PEGG JOINED THEM.

K-SANDY DENNY WAS IN THE BAND AT THAT TIME, TREVOR LUCAS.

P-TIM ROSE. WE PLAYED WITH HIM SEVERAL TIMES WHEN HE'D COME OVER FROM THE STATES AND WE WERE SORT OF THE WARM UP BAND.

K-YEAH, AND WE BLEW HIM OFF STAGE! (LAUGHTER)

P-YEAH, BUT HE WAS GREAT

K-I REMEMBER WHEN HE DID MORNING DEW, AND THERE WAS SOME QUESTION.

P-DIDN'T HE WRITE IT.

K-I DON'T THINK HE DID, NO.

P-AND HE ALSO DID HEY JOE.

K-WELL WE WERE DOING THAT IN OUR SET BEFORE TIM ROSE.

P-WE PLAYED ALOT WITH THE TERRY REID BAND, HE WAS A GREAT SINGER, WE REALLY ADMIRED HIM AND HIS BAND.

D-I READ AN INTERVIEW WITH HIM NOT LONG AGO, ABOUT WHAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN, BECAUSE HE CAME S0 CLOSE.

P-YEAH, TO BEING IN ZEPPELIN. IT WOULD'NT HAVE BEEN THE SAME THOUGH, WOULD IT? BECAUSE ROBERT YOU KNOW, EVEN IN THOSE DAYS, 18-19 YEARS OLD, PEOPLE WERE TAKEN ABACK. HE'D WALK INTO A PARTY AND ALL THE WOMEN THERE YOU KNOW WOULD BE JUST STANDING THERE GOING 'AHHH'. THEY WERE ALWAYS REALLY TAKEN WITH ROBERT YOU KNOW, EVEN MY WIFE! ALL THE GIRLS WERE JUST FASCINATED, AND THE GUYS WERE TOO IN A DIFFERENT SORT OF WAY. I MEAN, HE ALWAYS HAS SOMETHING TO SAY YOU KNOW, HE CAN ALWAYS COME UP WITH A GOOD STORY. I HAVE SEEN ROBERT IN A QUIET MOMENT, BUT NOT VERY OFTEN, NOT WHEN THERE'S OTHER PEOPLE AROUND.

D-HE'S ALWAYS ON STAGE IN A WAY?

P-YEAH, I MEAN IF YOU'VE GOT FIFTY PEOPLE AROUND, HE STARTS ENTERTAINING REALLY. BUT ANYWAY, WE ALWAYS PLAYED JUST LIKE THE RECORD, WITH ALL THE MISTAKES, WE NEVER PLAYED ANY DIFFERENT, IT WAS AMAZING STUFF, THAT BUILD UP TO THE END.

K-THE BEST THING ABOUT ROCK AND ROLL AT THAT TIME WAS THAT YOU JUST SORT OF SAID FUCK YOU AND JUST PLAYED DIDN'T YOU, AND NOW YOU KNOW IT'S JUST SORT OF TO PLAY LIKE THAT WAS REALLY GREAT, YOU DON'T REALLY CARE ABOUT THE TUNE AND JUST PLAY...

P-YEAH, BUT IF YOU DO THAT TODAY YOU CAN'T HAVE SOMETHING LIKE ALBUM OF THE WEEK! BUT WE USED TO STAND AND PLAY FOR ABOUT AN HOUR AND A HALF, REALLY HEAVY BLUES WASN'T IT?

K-WELL SORT OF A MIXTURE OF BLUES AND WHAT WE WERE GETTING FROM THE AMERICAN BANDS. WE DID SOME SONGS BY TIM HARDEN, STUFF LIKE "HANG ONTO A DREAM", STUFF THAT WE HAD SORT OF MUTILATED.

P-BUT OUR VERSIONS WERE GREAT, WE COULD TAKE VIRTUALLY ANY SONG.

K-YEAH, THEY WERE GREAT SONGS AND IN A WAY WERE THE SORT OF BLUEPRINTS. I MEAN A LOT OF THE SONGS THAT CAME OUT OF THE BAND OF JOY FITTED RIGHT IN TO THAT FIRST ZEPPELIN ALBUM.

P-WELL WITH BOTH ROBERT AND JOHNNY BONHAM.

D-I'VE WONDERED WHY IN THE PAST SO MUCH HAS BEEN SAID ABOUT THE INFLUENCE ZEPPELIN GOT FROM THE YARDBIRDS, BUT VERY LITTLE IS MENTIONED ABOUT THE INFLUENCE OF THE BAND OF JOY.

K-YEAH, YOU'RE RIGHT, BUT THEN AGAIN, YOU HAD SOMEBODY LIKE JIMMY PAGE, WHO WAS A GREAT PRODUCER, A VERY EXPERIENCED GUY IN THE STUDIO. NONE OF US REALLY HAD ANY IDEA HOW TO WORK IN A STUDIO. HE'D GROWN UP WITH PEOPLE LIKE NEIL CHRISTIAN & THE CRUSADERS AND STUFF, AND HAD LIKE 6 OR 7 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE.

D-BUT IN TERMS OF THE HISTORY BROUGHT INTO THE BAND, THE INFLUENCES...

K-WELL THE YARDBIRDS DID HAVE A LOT OF HITS, DIDN'T THEY? THEY WERE REALLY SORT OF A WIMPISH BAND TO BE HONEST, AND THEY USED TO COME AND PLAY KIDDY TOWN HALL.

P-WE PLAYED BETTER BLUES.

D-THEY HAD A BIGGER NAME SO THEY GOT MORE CREDIT?

P-YEAH, WHEN THEY SAID THE NEW YARDBIRDS ROBERT SORT OF WENT "HUH, THE NEW YARBIRDS??"

K-I ALWAYS REMEMBER ROBERT SAYING THAT WHEN HE FIRST MET JIMMY, JIMMY LIVED ON A HOUSEBOAT, HE WENT DOWN TO DISCUSS HIS JOINING UP, AND TOOK HIM ONE OF OUR DEMOS. ROBERT WAS RECOMMENDED BY TERRY REID AND HE WAS LIKE FALLING APART BECAUSE IN THOSE DAYS PEOPLE WERE JUST SORT OF PACKING UP YOU KNOW, NOT BEING ABLE TO SURVIVE, AND THEN TERRY SAID 'I KNOW A GREAT SINGER' AND THEY CAME UP AND CHECKED HIM OUT, AND THAT'S HOW IT ALL SORT OF STARTED.

P-JIMMY PAGE KNEW OF THE BAND OF JOY ANYWAY, WE USED TO PLAY THIS TECHNICAL COLLEGE IN SOUTH LONDON, AND THE STUDENTS LOVED US, AND THEY USED TO SAY THEY'D TOLD JIMMY ABOUT US. AND I'D SAY 'JIMMY WHO', 'JIMMY PAGE'.

K-REALLY?

P-YEAH, JIMMY PAGE, LIVED NEXT DOOR TO THIS PLACE.

K-I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THAT.

P-OH YEAH, SO JIMMY PAGE ALREADY KNEW OF US, CAUSE I REMEMBER THAT PLACE AND IF HE MIXED AT ALL WITH THE LOCAL KIDS HE MIGHT HAVE SAID, "DO YOU KNOW ANY GOOD SINGERS?"

D-SO HOW LONG DID YOUR VERSION OF THE BAND OF JOY GO ON?

K-ABOUT TWO YEARS?

P-YEAH.

[KEVIN AND PAUL THEN TRY TO RUMMAGE THIER MEMORIES FOR ANY LAST TALES ABOUT PLANTY THAT MIGHT BE INTERESTING TO ME.]

P-WELL, I'LL TRY TO THINK OF SOMETHING CLEAN AND NOT THE NAUGHTY BITS.

K-PAUL, YOU'VE GOT THE BETTER MEMORY, I CAN'T EVEN REMEMBER THE NAUGHTY BITS!

P-THERE WAS A PLACE CALLED WHITBY I THINK, IN YORKSHIRE, ON THE COAST, WE PLAYED IN WHITBY SOMEWHERE. A BIG GIG WITH A FEW BANDS ON, AND WHAT WITH ALL THE GIRLS IN THE VAN.

K-ALL THE GIRLS IN THE VAN?!

P-(LAUGHTER) THERE WASN'T ROOM IN THE VAN FOR EVERYONE. SO THEY DROPPED ME OFF ON THE BEACH.

K-REALLY!

P-YEAH, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHO ELSE FROM THE BAND, BUT WE LEFT THE VAN WITH ROBERT AND JOHN, AND I SLEPT THERE ALL NIGHT ON THE BEACH. WELL IT WAS WARM ENOUGH, AND WE SLEPT THERE, AND THEY CAME ALONG ABOUT 8 O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING. AND WE SAY, WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN ALL NIGHT, AND THEY SAY, "JOY RIDING".

K-I DON'T REMEMBER THIS ONE!

P-YOU KNOW THAT BOOK BY BRAM STOKER, DRACULA? WELL APPARENTLY THIS BEACH IN WHITBY IS WHERE THIS DRACULA GUY WASHED UP ON THE BEACH, I DIDN'T KNOW THIS. (LOTS OF LAUGHTER) THANK YOU ROBERT FOR DROPPING ME OFF AND NOT COMING BACK!! IT WAS ALWAYS THAT WAY THOUGH, TRYING TO SEE WHO COULD DROP OFF TO SLEEP AT TWO IN THE MORNING WITH ALL THE GEAR IN THE BACK OF THE VAN.

K-AND WE NEVER HAD ROADIES DID WE, WE DID ALL THE DRIVING AND STUFF OURSELVES. WE DID HAVE A FOLLOWING THOUGH, PLAYING AT PLACES LIKE THE MARQUEE.

P-YEAH, IT WAS GREAT REALLY, WE JUST SORT OF DID OUR OWN THING AND HAD A GREAT TIME.

K-DO YOU KNOW PAUL WHERE THE NAME BAND OF JOY CAME FROM? I NEVER ACTUALLY KNEW.

P-CHRIS BROWN INVENTED THE NAME, SOMEONE SAID WHAT SHALL WE CALL THE BAND AND HE SAID ROBERT PLANT AND THE BAND OF JOY, AND THE NAME SOUNDS A BIT COMICAL.

K-SORT OF LIKE THE NEW CHRISTIE MINSTRALS.

P-ON ONE OF OUR TOURS, A ONE WEEK TOUR UP NORTH, YORKSHIRE, LANCASHIRE, MANCHESTER, MISTAKENLY THEY BOOKED US AT LIKE A WORKING MEN'S CLUB, YOU KNOW AND ALL THE PEOPLE PLAY BINGO AND WHEN A BAND COMES THEY WANT LIKE COMEDY OR SOMETHING. THAT'S WHAT THEY WANTED, SO THEY THOUGHT WE WERE A COMEDY BAND, ROBERT PLANT AND THE BAND OF JOY!! YOU KNOW, ITS A WORKING MANS CLUB, IT'S DINNERTIME, YOU HAVE A FEW PINTS AND YOU WATCH A COMEDIAN OR A BALLAD SINGER OR A STRIPPER, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. S0 WHAT DID WE DO, WE DIDN'T PLAY ANY OF OUR MASSIVE GREAT HEAVY BLUES, BUT SOME SIMPLE ROCK TUNES, HOPING THAT THESE PEOPLE HAD HEARD THEM BEFORE, AND YOU COULD SEE THAT SOME OF THEM ENJOYED IT, BUT BECAUSE IT WAS OLDER PEOPLE, 50, 60, OR 70, WE DIDN'T EVEN FINISH THE WEEK OUT!
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October xx, 1968 - Led Zeppelin is recorded
October 19, 1968 - Final performance as the New Yardbirds
October 31, 1969 - Led Zeppelin II is released in the US
October 17, 1969 - Bonham is thrilled to play Carnegie Hall where Buddy Rich and Gene Krupa have performed
October 23, 1970 - Led Zeppelin III is released in the US
October xx, 1970 - The press lash out at the band over the Led Zeppelin III acoustic content
October xx, 1971 - Page and Plant venture around Thailand and India after the Japan tour
October 18, 1972 - Zeppelin rehearse at the Rainbow Theater for a UK tour
October xx, 1973 - Each member performs an individual film sequence for their concept film
October 31, 1974 - Swan Song hosts a party for the launch of its UK division
October xx, 1975 - Led Zeppelin decide not to tour and concentrate on recording new material
October 20, 1976 - The Song Remains The Same premieres at New York’s Cinema One
October xx, 1977 - Jimmy starts assembling a Led Zeppelin live album from recordings as far back as 1969
October xx, 1978 - Jones and Bonham record with Paul McCartney at Abbey Road Studios
October xx, 1978 - Rehearsals for In Through The Out Door in London
October xx, 1979 - All nine Led Zeppelin albums enter the Billboards Top 200 -- no other band has ever achieved this
October 10, 1980 - A private funeral is held for John Bonham at Rushock church in Worcestershire
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